Firstly, thanks to everyone who entered this year. Again, as always, we were amazed at how many people managed to get a good number of the questions right. We’ll reveal the final prize list and winners next week, but in the meantime here are the answers.

Q1: The easy warm up question – where are we? Or rather where were we and what happens next?

We are at Silvertown – the NLL extension to North Woolwich soon to be Crossrail’s south eastern branch (So Crossrail is what happens next). Our thanks and copyright acknowledgements to Roger Marks for the use of his picture.

Q2: Which Railway Junction is featured in this 1919 painting? Who painted it?


Kentish Town Junction by Edward Montgomery O’Rorke Dickey (1894-1977)

Q3: Mark Wheeler was the last man standing – why and when?

He was the last guard on the last-guard-worked service on the last train composed of 1959 Tube Stock that ran on the Northern Line on 27th of July 2000.

Q4: Where are we? And who owned this station when it was suddenly closed in 1940.


Gallions, owned by The Port of London Authority. The station closed never to be reopened after bombing in 1940.

Q5: There is a station on the Underground with a rather unique claim to fame – it is named after a Street that doesn’t actually exist. What is the station?

Bond Street station is what we were looking for. There is no Bond Street. There is, however, an Old Bond Street and a New Bond Street.

Q6: Where are we? What is the moving tale behind this picture?


Hounslow West. This is the former staircase leading from the back of station designed by Holden built in to the former District and later Piccadilly line. The moving tale is that the line was realigned with a new island through platform being built just to the north of the existing station as part of the Piccadilly Line extension to Hatton Cross and Heathrow

Q7: 2013 saw the death of Margaret Thatcher, a Prime Minister rather keen on privatisation. So what was the only nationalisation to take place during her time at Downing Street?

The creation of London Regional Transport in 1984 after the disbanding of the GLC. We’re actually going to be rather strict on this one as yes, it does appear there are others – but as I pointed out in the comments, the one we were after should have been relatively clear!

Q8: Where in London will you find these four Olympic “survivors”? And why is one of them not really a survivor at all?


These are: Wembley Park, Kings Cross St Pancras, Piccadilly Circus and Tower Hill. It is Tower Hill that was not truly the survivor. As can perhaps be guessed from the photos, it has been repainted after the Olympics – earlier this year in fact.

Q9: What former Metropolitan Line station can now in some sense be said to be under itself? It was a station then, and it still is now…

There is always at least one question where we end up deciding to take multiple answers. That’s the case here. We will accept Swiss Cottage, where the old Metropolitan Line station is effectively underneath the Jubilee. What we were after, however, was Marlborough Road, where the old Metropolitan Line station building is now being reused as an electrical substation. You’ll get a bonus point if you got that.

Q10: Where are we? And what would be perhaps the easiest way to get to Oxford from here today?


This is the old Hillingdon Station. Anything involving the A40, which runs through the site now, or the Oxford Tube is going to get you the points for the easiest way to Oxford from there now.

Q11: What thread links Holdsworth, Black, Straub, Groag, Sewell and Wallace Jones?

Moquette. Halifax based John Holdsworth and Company have produced seating Moquette for London buses, trams, trolleybuses and trains based on designs created by Misha Black, Marianne Straub, Jacqueline Groag, Harriet Wallace Jones and Emma Sewell.

Q12: What station is pictured below?


Wittenbergplatz on the Berlin U-Bahn. The Roundel was a gift from London Transport in 1952 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the U-Bahn itself. We’re shocked and disappointed with those of you who answered “Wood Lane.”

Q13: Twitter was full of birthday wishes for the Underground in January. But the one below was rather special. Who tweeted?


This was tweeted by the official account for the New York Subway (or more properly the Metropolitan Transport Authority), and was possibly my favourite tweet of last year. Those readers who follow me or the official LR account will probably remember this from the time.

Q14: What do a portrait of John Hough, Annie Mole’s blog and a Brazilian oil company, have in common? Clue: A glass of a singularly popular German Beer might inspire you.

The common link is original art work covers used on the TfL’s pocket tube map derived from Harry Beck’s design (the singular German beer). In full: Portrait of John Hough – November 2007- by Jeremy Deller and Paul Ryan, Going Underground – March 2008 – by Mark Wallenger and Petrobras (Rio) – December 2012 – by Sarah Morris. Bonus points for each one you got.

Q15: Which station approach is this?


Paddington Station. Yes, it is snapped from Royal Oak, but it is the Paddington approach (For the record I was particularly proud of the filename on this one).

Q16: What links a Pacific monarch, an angry bird, war surplus generators, Cornish holiday makers, a not so southern port and a not so northern railway line?

Battersea Park. We were genuinely impressed with how many of you got the correct answer to this one. Points for each link. Neptune (a monarch) and Wild Goose (angry bird) were 15” gauge 4-6-2 (pacific) locomotives, based on the cartoons of Rowland Emett, built for the 1951 Festival of Britain miniature railway in Battersea Park. Over two million visitors travelled on the line during the Festival. (Emmet is Cornish for ant and used to describe tourists.) The locomotive were diesel electric (and utilised war-surplus searchlight components). They were built by Harry Barlow, the owner of Southport’s Lakeside Miniature Railway. The Northern Line’s Battersea Extenions south of the Thames extension from Nine Elms completes the puzzle.

Q17: Next year will mark 100 years since the beginning of the Great War. Where in London will you find this most recent addition to the memorials to fallen railwaymen?


This is now in place at Kings Cross. Bonus point for the person who correctly pointed out its actually a resetting of the original 1920 memorial, purely because I’m a bit of a war memorial geek and I hadn’t spotted that myself.

Q18: Who is supposed to have admonished staff at a London terminal with the words, “Not so fast next time, Mr Conductor” following a seventeen mile journey that took twenty two minutes.

Prince Albert. It was at Paddington following Queen Victoria’s first trip by rail from Slough to Paddington in 1842.

Q19: Historically speaking, Kings Cross and St Pancras are two of only three London terminals that truly make the grade. What is the third?

Paddington Station. They are the three Grade 1 listed terminals in London. A bonus prize to the first person in the comments on this post to name all the Grade 1 listed terminals outside the Capital.

Q20: And finally it is time for “Tingey’s curse” – the dreaded “guess the line” question. So which of London’s iron roads is this? What was the power output of the traction units used (you will probably find it easier to give the output in imperial units)?


The Surrey Iron Railway. As long as you picked up that the power output was therefore in actual horses you’re good for the other point.

Thanks to all of you who entered!

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There are 79 comments on this article
  1. Walthamstow Writer says:

    Hmm – a couple of wrong answers for me and the possibility of some “leeway” from the judges on a couple of other answers.

    Oh and it’s Wembley Park not Wembley Road in the answers for the photographic “odd one out” question.

  2. Fandroid says:

    Grade 1 listed stations: Curzon Street (Birmingham), Bristol Temple Meads, Huddersfield, Manchester Liverpool Road, Newcastle Central.

  3. Ned says:

    Didn’t enter the quiz, so to some extent this is none of my business, but for Q5, someone being awkward might argue that High Street Kensington qualifies, as the street itself is Kensington High Street.

  4. swirlythingy says:

    What has happened to the font used for the bold text? Here on Firefox/Linux it looks absolutely awful – all the letters are different heights! “Hounslow West” looks more like “HoUnSLoW weSt”.

  5. Mwmbwls says:

    You can find more of Roger Mark’s excellent pictures here:

  6. John Bull says:

    Well spotted on the Wembley typo.

    What has happened to the font used for the bold text? Here on Firefox/Linux it looks absolutely awful – all the letters are different heights! “Hounslow West” looks more like “HoUnSLoW weSt”.

    As before – OS/Resolution/Browser version into the “Site Updates” comments and I’ll try to replicate.

  7. Mike says:

    Good stuff!

    In q2 (which I just couldn’t get, despite the Midlandy signal box and livery) the hyperlink doesn’t work; and in q16 (which I would never have got) he was Rowland Emett, not Roland Emmet.

    Look forward to this year’s challenge!

    [I spotted the bad link and fixed it. (Makes me feel good when I correct JB’s mistakes and not the other way round.) According to the ultimate authority, the entry in Wikipedia although he was known as Rowland his birth certificate actually gives it as Roland. Nevertheless I have changed it.PoP]

  8. Lost in Middlesex says:

    It’s too late for me to get the grade I listed stations bonus – I should have checked the site earlier today! Oh well. I may lose a few fractions of points on some of the questions, but assuming that other people also lose some fractions of points, I’ve got a pretty decent chance of becoming the proud owner of a jar full of dirt.

  9. Ian J says:

    I’m just in awe of anyone who manages to get more than three questions right.

    An interesting war-memorial-geek point (and possible future quiz question!) is that the arrangement of the King’s Cross memorial tablets is meant to reflect the positions of the soldiers in this painting:

  10. Mike says:

    Thanks, PoP – can you correct Mr Emett’s surname, too (which makes it less Cornish…)?

    [Done. I have also added a couple of Wikipedia links for good measure.PoP]

  11. The other Paul says:

    Didn’t enter in the end, but I think I had all except 8 and 16, so I probably should have done.

    On Q9, I immediately thought of Swiss Cottage; I would say the Jubilee station is technically under the former met station, not the other way around, but thinking more I reckoned the wording could apply to Whitechapel, with the “in a sense” being some reference to the modern-day Overground-that-was-once-the-Met running under the Underground, and, at a stretch, Wood Lane, where the former Central Line site is “in a sense” under the modern day H&C station that’s over the road from the original Met station.

    But I felt that Swiss Cottage fitted the wording best, sadly oblivious to the substation at Marlborough Road.

  12. @The Other Paul

    I confess to setting it although the wording had slightly changed by the time it got to the quiz. I must admit I did not realise Swiss Cottage (Jubilee Line) was virtually directly below the former Metropolitan Line station of the same name and had I have realised that I would have explicitly excluded it. If that had have been the answer it would have been far to easy for a London Reconnections quiz question.

    In one of the comments I stated that if you could sensibly complete the phrase It was a station, it is now … then you have the correct answer. I can’t see how you could do that with Swiss Cottage but It was a station, it is now a substation would fit perfectly with Marlborough Road.

  13. Whiff says:

    Much to my surprise I got four right and could have had a good guess on a few others so clearly the quiz is getting easier!
    Q18 intrigues me as I always thought the ‘We are amused’ quote referred to that train journey but can find no evidence to back that up.

  14. Greg Tingey says:

    I still think there is a second valid answer to Q9
    Namely … Whitechapel.
    Since the LL (Thames Tunnel) lines now used by LOROL used to be part of the “met” complex, didn’t they?

  15. Top Cat in Harrow says:

    I thought Whitechapel was a clever answer to Q9, sadly it was not what they were looking for 🙁

    Greg Tingey, yes the East London line, as a LU line, was part of the Metropolitan Railway until 1980 when it became a line in its own right, (though it was still grouped operationally with the Metropolitan Line), receiving its own colour on the tube map in 1990.
    Also the Hammersmith & City line was once known as part of the Metropolitan Line. At a point in time you had the Met running over the top of the Met or vice versa.

    I cannot believe I managed to get 9 questions correct, especially when considering my age!! I’m pleased I got the street question right as I was not sure Bond Street would cut it as there is a New and an Old Bond Street.

  16. RichardH says:

    Hmm, not too bad. Got most of them. A bit poor not getting Bond Street, even though I know there is no such street. But then there’s not a road called ‘Watford High Street’ either.

  17. Top Cat in Harrow says:

    True, however ‘Watford High Street’ is on the Overground network, and not on the Underground network. That is until 2016/17 though when the Met services to Watford Jct. commence…

  18. David Fisher says:

    Was away over New Year and forgot to send in my answers in advance, but I make it 15/20 which I’m pretty chuffed (-chuffed) with considering I’m very much a fairweather transport geek. Some of those questions are pure genius, e.g. thanks for accepting Swiss Cottage (my own answer), but “was a station now a substation”… damn. And that Battersea Park one — it’s so neatly thought out, despite being annoyingly obscure (i.e. I didn’t get it :-p). Congrats to the setters! (and in advance to the winners, of course).
    The only question I’d take any sort of issue with is the Olympics one, which (unless I’m missing something) requires the time to spend trekking around the system staring at the floor.
    RE Hillingdon — I assume the “guard those fish” clue was to the final destination of the A40 road? I feel very silly now, thinking about how much time I spent looking around west Wales.

  19. Martin Smith says:

    Looks like a few of us tried for “Whitechapel” for Q9 – personally I think it’s a neater answer than either of those allowed, but since I’m nowhere near a prize I shan’t take it too hard 🙂

  20. Walthamstow Writer says:

    @ David Fisher – the names of the photo images on Q12 (as on several other images) were a help although I am sad enough to be able to recognise the wall and floor tiling in two of the photos. I didn’t get the last photo though – much to my annoyance and much time looking at Google Streetview.

    On the Hillingdon question – well the subject of Hillingdon and the Oxford Tube service had arisen in discussion via the comments column a few weeks before so it was easy for me to work that one out. I did wonder if JB / PoP used that discussion thread as the basis for spotting a potentially devious quiz question.

  21. ngh says:

    Re WW 13 January 2014 at 11:30

    The Tower Hill photo name was also a big clue “More Cromwell” presumably referring to 2 individuals who lost their heads in the Tower? Though I suspect Cromwell might have got people looking in Parliament Square (the other Cromwell) or down the A4…

  22. TRT says:

    Watford High Street *used* to be on the Bakerloo, though.

  23. David Fisher says:

    @WW: The above-ground one was the only one I *did* get! The “Big Bus Tours” dots on the bus-stop sign was the giveaway. RE Hillingdon — good point, reading through recent comments threads is probably a good tip.

  24. Twopenny Tube says:

    @ Ned:”Didn’t enter the quiz, so to some extent this is none of my business, but for Q5, someone being awkward might argue that High Street Kensington qualifies, as the street itself is Kensington High Street.”

    Same here, didn’t enter, and one of the 3-4 I thought I knew would have been disallowed. In mitigation, a street map from the 30s says just plain “High Street” and the station is labelled “High Street (Kensington)”. It is a little confusing on some maps, because “Kensington” appears to follow “High Street” but does in fact belong to “Road”, separated in some versions by “Kensington Gore” between “Kensington” and “Road” which continues towards Knightsbridge. All this is a red herring to disguise my inability to do more than scratch the surface of the Quiz. Well done to the setters, and to the contributors who got so many right.

  25. leymoo says:

    Yay! A fairly respectful 16/20. I can live with that on a first try…

    Kicking myself a little on Q20, as I got it while pondering over the Christmas-New Year gap… “why is he saying horsepower is important? What’s the conversion rate?”

    Q11, Q15 and Q19 were my favourites to discover.

    11 because it was a genuinely interesting subject for me and I got caught reading on about this for a long time.

    15 because I could not find it online at all but remember getting caught around this area most times I head into London from Reading, which is a common trip for me – “why is this so familiar? why is this making me angry to look at? OH!”

    19 because it became a useful piece of trivia to steer a wayward in-law away from non-dinner table subjects like politics and religion at Christmas…

    I really enjoyed doing this, and would love to do more. It has the feel of a MIT puzzle hunt, if you’ve looked into this sort of thing. So thank you for compiling something this entertaining.

  26. P Dan Tick says:

    I was surprised at how with some perseverance I did a lot better than previous years – probably due to the lack of bus questions ! Best bits were the weird sidetracks that Google threw up. I still don’t know where Marlborough Road (sub)station is.

  27. whiff says:

    P Dan Tick – as so often is the case Diamond Geezer has been there before (and if you read the comments you’ll discover that this post was possibly the inspiration for this question)
    I also forgot to say thank you for an enjoyable, challenging and educational quiz.

  28. 0775John says:

    Re Q16 and Ro(w)land Emett…
    Whilst he appears in the Index to Births as Roland, thus indicating the certificate may well spell the name without the “w”, he appears in the 1911 Census – 5 years later – as Rowland. Annoyingly, the family are visitors to a house in Thornton Heath and so the head of that household has signed the Census form, and not his own father. Since the full details would presumably have been passed by word of mouth any potential incorrect spelling at birth could have been either perpetuated or corrected! Had his own father filled in the form we could have reasonably assumed that he knew which spelling was intended and thus whether the lack of a “w” on the birth certificate was, again, the result of the lack of any written direction to the Registrar in 1906.
    There is, of course, a deeper philosophical question here with (tenuous) railway connections (JB will be pleased to hear)! Does a preserved locomotive “masquerading” as a classmate actually become that classmate simply by the giving it another name? If not, then Roland is surely Roland for ever.

  29. @Whiff,

    Do you know I had completely forgotten I had even commented on that post. I must be going gaga. But yes it was the inspiration for the question. To save linking the comment what I wrote was:

    I never cease to be amazed at how much I learn about a subject from you when I think I had a pretty comprehensive knowledge about it already.

    Pleased you didn’t refer to Marlborough Road station as “disused”. It is obviously used – it was a station and is now a substation. It shows how desperate we are for space in London when LU cannot find space for a substation without needing to take back a property that was being commercially let.

  30. Steve says:

    Minor point of pedantry, LRT was created two years before the GLC was abolished.

  31. @Steve,

    Even more minor point of pedantry, we said disbanded rather than abolished. Organisations such as the GLC often have a legal entity long after they cease to be effective and before they are formally abolished – which sometimes requires a further act of parliament. This may be the case here.

  32. 0775John says:

    The Local Government Act of 1985 abolished the GLC w.e.f. 1st April 1986. There was no period in which it existed before that date with no effective power. It was on 31st March and was not on 1st April. So, its abolition and its disbandment were at the same date and there was a massive firework display on the South Bank to mark its passing! Assets not passed to other boards, such as Fire or boroughs at that date were vested in the London Residuary Board for disposal and that sold them off over a long period of time afterwards.

  33. Anonymous says:

    Sorry, but @Steve is right and you are wrong. Responsibility for London’s transport was taken over by LRT on 29 June 1984. The GLC continued its other functions until its abolition on 31 March 1986. The legal entity which continued after that date was the London Residuary Body.
    Please therefore replace “after the disbanding” with “prior to the 1986 abolition”.

  34. Pedantic of Purley says:


    I did only say “This may be the case here”. We could split hairs over the wording but as I didn’t write it in the first place and I really couldn’t care less I am not going to change it. Maybe the wording could be better but, as I understand it, nationalisation in 1984 was done as as part of the process of disbanding the GLC which was formally abolished in 1986.

  35. P Dan Tick says:

    Surely the key to the appropriate spelling of Ro(w)land Emett is – which version did he use when drawing his cartoons of the Far Tottering & Oyster Creek Railway? Nothing else is relevant.

  36. Mike says:

    P Dan Tick – “Rowland” is the spelling commonly used when referring to him, but he signed his cartoons just “EMETT”. As an exception, on his cover design for his New World of Nellie (the only FT&OC loco not referenced in the quiz), yours on for GBP37.20, he says it is “Written and Illustrated by Rowland EMETT”.

    The final word on this? I hope so!

  37. Anonymous says:

    I think that the problem may be your moniker. I humbly suggest “Mostly Pedantic of Purley”.
    Please accept that I have not tried to be awkward, just attempted to emulate your usual precision where you seem to have strayed from your patch.

  38. Pedantic of Purley says:


    Even I have my limits about pedantry. I just felt it wasn’t that important a point and, in my eyes, we weren’t actually wrong although the wording could have been more precise given that it has been pointed out that although the LRT was nationalised in 1984 the GLC was abolished in 1986.

    More to the point, I am happy (and keen) to correct my mistakes and obvious typos of others including commenters but I think one strays into dangerous territory for all sorts of reasons when one leaps in and rewords which another person has written and already published just because one is of the opinion that it will read better.

  39. Sam F says:

    So, why did someone repaint the Olympic lane symbol the year after the Olympics? All the others have been removed.

  40. AlisonW (Continuity monorail faction) says:

    0775John: I was at that fireworks party and still have my “GLC we’ll meet again” badge. 😛

  41. Anonymous says:

    The Olympic Rings were reprinted as Leon Daniels and I thought we should leave a permanent souvenir of the most difficult traffic management exercise ever undertaken in London, and one that worked, too!

    Peter Hendy

  42. Anonymous says:

    Thank you Peter! The question as to why the Olympic Lane had reappeared (and the road sign on the adjacent pole too – I’d even been up to Tower Hill to see it!) has been driving me mad for weeks!!!

  43. Walthamstow Writer says:

    I’m wondering how well the TfL Board Members did in getting the correct answers to the LR quiz given Mr Hendy recommended they give it a go. 🙂

  44. timbeau says:

    Q1 initially thought it was Gunnersbury until I realised the train was going the wrong way (or had an incorrect destination blind up) – Google Street View conveniently still shows some of thew buildings in the background when the right location was found.

    Q2 fooled me for a long time because I was convinced the loco was in LBSCR colours and the only reference I could find to a railway using headcode discs like that also suggested the Brighton – but any London location on the LBSCR in 1919 should have had electrification Knitting visible – unless the artists had left it out of course. Norwood Junction? But the Crystal Palace should have been visible on the hill. Googling eventually identified it and everything fell into place: the website I had consulted had indeed correctly identified the headcode as an LBSCR one – “via Snow Hill”!
    3. Again it was a question of googling the right words – I kept getting a Yorkshire county councillor with an interest in local transport matters; I suppose he did stand for election, but eventually putting “London” in my search field found the right chap.
    4. I originally thought this was necropolis but it looked too spacious. Google let me down here, “station closed 1940” found me Manor Park, one stop down the line from the right answer
    5,6,7 I knew these
    8. Recognised Picadilly Circus and did a virtual “Big Bus Tour” to find which stop matched the view. The other two I guessed
    9. I said Swiss Cottage
    10. the clue immediately made me think of Hillingdon – googkle images confirmed it
    11. googling all the names together led to an article on moquettes
    12. can’t recall how I worked this one out – “roundel” plus various words for foreign metros I think
    13. remembered this one
    14 googled the name with Brazil oil, and pictures of the tube map covers came up
    15. Thought I recognised it, and Google Street View (from the Westway) confirmed it
    16. never got anywhere near with this – I realised a Cornish tourist is an Emett, (and that it is also an ant) but made no other headway. I could only find eight 4-6-2s named after monarchs (including the present queen’s title before she succeeded her father, and stretching a point to include both Kingfisher and Oliver Cromwell) but of course I was only looking at standard gauge: also looked at monarchs in Pacific islands (Japan?, Tonga? or Edward VII (the “Peacemaker”) but nothing worked. Neptune is a Pacific monarch in two senses . I was also trying to fit in Hull (as in northern port and Rod H and his (very angry) Emu – connection with Emmett?)
    17, 18 recognised them both
    19 understood the reference to “grade” so easy to look up what else was classified the same
    20. Instantly recognised: although I suspect the motive power would be rated at rather more than 746W, as Mr Boulton’s business partner cannily chose to use small ponies for his benchmark – (plausibly, as they were better suited to power pumps, so a better comparison with his early machines)

    Great quiz – wasted far too much time trying to identify the answers!

  45. Fandroid says:

    It’s interesting to analyse the way I got the answers I did.

    Q1. It was obviously an NLL station from the train destination. Previous visits to Docklands made me realise that the buildings looked about right for the Royal Docks area. Joe Brown’s Atlas hinted strongly at Silvertown. Google maps (aerial photo version) said ‘yes’. Google Streetview on Factory Road clinched it.

    Q2. I stared at the Joe Brown atlas for a bit, but decided I needed to know the painting’s orientation. That’s when the old boy scout skills came into play. The shadow from the signal box falls straight out over the tracks, veering slightly away from the viewpoint. The shadow is also very short. So it’s probably summer midday. That means the signal box is on the south west side of the tracks. The loco’s smoke shadow is about the same. That means the view is towards the north west. So a look through Joe Brown’s Atlas brought up Kentish Town Junction. The layout looked right, and the hill beyond clinched it. After that it was a Googling effort to locate the painting.

    Q3. This one took ages. After lots of fruitless Googling I used the hunch that it was linked to a last train service with a guard, and that info brought up the answer.

    Q4. Again Joe Brown came to the rescue. I thought it looked like a riverside site with gantries and things in the mist. Possibly also the Beckton Gasworks in the left distance. Anyway, with that as a starter, Joe Brown gave me all the answers.

    Q6. I Googled ‘Art Deco Underground Stations’. That threw up a list, and Hounslow West fell into place (with Joe Brown’s help on the layout and history).

    Q8. This was fun. I picked up the hint that the file-names might help. So armed with an Underground map showing stations with disabled access I narrowed down the candidates for the first two. Pic 1 is obviously an SSL station from the S Stock pictured. ‘arch’ is the filename. Wembley Stadium with its arch fitted perfectly. Pic 2 filename is ‘getting angry’. A trawl through the accessible stations threw up Kings Cross. Pic 3 looked like Piccadilly Circus, with its unique tiling. ‘Parade’ is just visible. Probably Horse Guards Parade, the venue for the Olympic beach volleyball. Near enough geographically to fit. Filename is ‘threering’. That fits a circus. Job done. Pic 4 was a real struggle. I found the Olympic routes on Google then, paying some attention to the greenery on the right, I worked through many possible routes on Google Streetview. I was near giving up when Tower Hill fell into place. Flummoxed by the ‘not really a survivor’ clue, I eventually took a wild guess that the roundels had been repainted (they look bright and clean).
    On this question I actually took a trip round to check my answers. I found the Wembley Park one easily. I was lucky in finding the Kings Cross one off a Victoria line platform. I searched high and low over Piccadilly Circus, but failed to find it. But the tiling clue was too strong to ignore. Tower Hill was unchecked.

    Q10. It’s an Underground Line (4 rails visible on each track). The ‘Oxford’ clue hinted at it being out west somewhere. It looked rural/suburban enough to be in Metroland. Again the Oxford clue suggested the A40 and recent personal researches on buses to there made me think of those as the second part of the answer. Hillingdon looked the best fit. Joe Brown confirmed that the station had moved and other maps showed the old and new routes of the A40 locally.

    I’m worn out again. Great fun doing the quiz. Thank you to the authors and thank you to Joe Brown!

  46. Walthamstow Writer says:

    If we’re explaining how we did our research then I got 1, 5, 6, 7, 10, 12, 15 and 17 pretty much straight away. I recognised three of the photos in Q8 but couldn’t find the last one or answer the question. I didn’t think to track a Big Bus service on Streetview!

    Google came to the rescue on many of the others but some of the questions required some fiendish lateral thinking. Q20 had me researching railway lines in Greenwich for days as I got the shape of the river Thames wrong. Once I clicked it was further west it was reasonably straightforward to Google. I confess I knew nothing about this early railway so learnt a lot. Q3 had me lost in the realms of TV characters for days until I added London Underground to the Google search terms. Q16 was horrendous and I still didn’t quite get the right answer – I said Battersea but missed off Park.

    I don’t expect to win a prize but was genuinely surprised that I managed to get answers (of a sort) to all of the questions.

  47. AlisonW says:

    For the sake of completeness / accuracy on question 7 …

    That handover shouldn’t actually count as it was never in non-Public hands. ‘Nationalisation’ requires removing the issued share capital from trading, etc. – though yes, I accept it was a ‘nice’ answer.

    The ‘true’ answer was Johnson Matthey (a very broke bank), for the grand sum of £1.00 (though there were also some specialist steel firms in the steps leading up to privatisation)

    The Kentish Town painting by Edward Montgomery O’Rorke Dickey (Q2) initially surprised me as I’d always believed the rising line on the left was only single-tracked. Now I know better!

  48. Pedantic of Purley says:


    That handover shouldn’t actually count as it was never in non-Public hands. ‘Nationalisation’ requires removing the issued share capital from trading, etc.

    We based our definition on the relevant article in Wikipedia. How could that possibly be wrong? Rightly or wrongly, books generally refer to it as Nationalisation.


    I suspect the motive power would be rated at rather more than 746W, as Mr Boulton’s business partner cannily chose to use small ponies for his benchmark – (plausibly, as they were better suited to power pumps, so a better comparison with his early machines)

    In contrast though, I remember my very old physics textbook at school which mentioned the fact that a horse would be struggling to achieve 746W over a significant period of time so, if correct, a horse would have a sustainable power output of less than 1 horse power. I think it was the same book that mentioned that the French had the same unit (CV- cheval vapeur) which equated to 736W. This would appear to be consistent with this definition. No prizes for guessing the power output of a Citroën 2CV.

  49. RichardH says:

    For all the people who went through incredibly convoluted mental and google gymnastics to identify pictures and photos, did you know that you can drag and drop a picture into the google image search box and it will find it (hopefully).
    This worked for me for all but Hounslow station.

  50. @RichardH,

    Thanks for that info. Next time I will make sure that if I ever submit a picture question then it is based on a picture that have never been published on the web.

  51. RichardH says:

    That’s me scuppered for next year then! *Must learn to keep mouth shut*

    In all fairness I knew Silvertown and Ranelagh Bridge, and that the closed docklands station was a PLA one, so would have got there pretty rapidly.
    I’d never have got Kentish Town though . . .

  52. timbeau says:

    “No prizes for guessing the power output of a Citroën 2CV.”
    Initially 9bhp, later models were up to 29bhp. 2CV was the “tax” horsepower.

    France was one of many countries where cars were taxed according to a notional horsepower rating based usually only on engine size, and not other factors such as compression ratio, engine speed etc. Of course, designers’ ingenuity soon found ways to make cars more powerful than their tax class would suggest – increased compression ratios being a favourite. The British system was based on a formula that took into account the bore (diameter) but not the stroke of the cylinder: resulting in British car engines having very long narrow cylinders! The British industry was in no hurry to have it changed: since only British manufacturers built to this specification, this kept the cost of running imported cars high.
    They made no secret of the difference between the official and real figures, – Wolseley for instance specified its cars as e.g “18/85” (tax and actual horsepower figures).
    Designing around official criteria is nothing new – it is no coincidence that engines and gearing of so many cars are at their most efficient at 56mph – the speed at which official mpg and CO2 figures are measured.

  53. Anonymous says:

    Hopefully close enough to topic to be of interest. It seems safe to assume that if you’re visiting this site, you’re likely to be interested in the London Underground map, and if you’re visiting this particular thread on this particular site, you’re likely to be interested in puzzles.

    The Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s most recent Mystery Hunt, last weekend, featured around 120 puzzles, of which one strikes me as particularly likely to be of interest to readers of this thread, entitled Oyster Card. You will require a passing familiarity with Japanese logic puzzle types as well as the underground map in order to solve it. It took one of my friends, who has been on the UK team at the World Puzzle Championships at least five times, about three or four hours to solve it, but it is an elegant construction, even if you only look at the puzzle’s solution.

    Sadly, the hunt’s single erratum had to be issued reflecting the fact that this particular puzzle was written at a time when the Embankment station was still open to Bakerloo and Northern line trains.

  54. Walthamstow Writer says:

    @ Anon 0824 – I’m struggling to comprehend the Japanese logic, never mind much else about the puzzle! Heaven forbid that something like that becomes the LR Christmas Quiz.

  55. Moosealot says:

    The 56mph (90km/h) test hasn’t been used since 2000, and cars registered before 1st March 2000 use engine displacement (<1550cc | 1550cc+) as the VED bands. Since then, CO2 emissions are calculated using the New European Driving Cycle [NEDC].

    The NEDC uses unfeasibly low speeds and acceleration rates hence the move by manufacturers to tiny engines with massive turbochargers as the amount of power required by the NEDC is insufficient to put the thirsty turbos to any serious amount of work. What Car magazine do some far more rigorous tests to work out what you might get in the real world and some of the results are surprising, e.g.:

    Fiat Panda 0.9 turbo – NEDC: 61.4mpg – What Car ‘true mpg’: 34.4 – VED £20pa
    Porsche Boxster 2.7 – NEDC: 34.4mpg – What Car ‘true mpg’: 34.9 – VED £260pa

    The official horsepower myth has merely been replaced by an official economy myth… but the new myth is legally enforced and vendors are not allowed to quote any different figures.

  56. Pedantic of Purley says:

    Not being a petrolhead I may be talking rubbish but I would suspect that the “unfeasibly low speeds and acceleration rates” may not be that far away from realism for a Fiat Panda but quite beyond the comprehension of a writer for Autocar who can’t get his (in this case I won’t add “or her”) head around the concept of a Porsche being driven slowly and within the speed limit although that it what they have to do in busy traffic.

  57. ngh says:

    Re PoP and Moosealot

    Agrre with Moosealot – It is not just an autocar issue the cycle is very unrealistic (especially for London driving or even a gentle hill).

    HM Treasury will be delighted when the delayed new drive cycle is introduced as everyone will go up several VED bands without them having to do anything.

    For an intro:

    Needless to say manufacturers have been known to disconnect alternators etc to reduce engine loading during tests.

    Hybrids also effective “game” the drive cycle tests as well but there has been no satisfactory resolution on this point as far as I understand.

    The US Car industry has a saying “there is no substitute for displacement” while not always true these days there is an element of truth.

    Small (petrol) engines with turbo and/or superchargers need to have been designed completely from scratch (rather than modified from one they have already) to get good real world efficiency and usually combined with 6 or 7 speed gearboxes and relatively frequent gear changes to keep the revs in a fairly narrow band and fuel injection rate sensible.

  58. Moosealot says:

    The NEDC accelerations are remarkably low in real terms. The maximum acceleration is just over 1m/ss, or about 2.3mph/s, the average acceleration (while the vehicle is accelerating) is just over 0.5m/ss or 1.2mph/s. Fiat claim 0-60mph in 11.6s for the Panda fitted with that engine; that’s an average of 5.2mph/s but that will tail off toward the top, so actual acceleration rates toward the bottom will be significantly higher.

    On a flat, smooth road I’d be reasonably confident of accelerating my car to 6mph in 5s by pushing it. Most of the cycles max out at or below 35km/h (22mph), I’d be very confident at beating the entirety of the acceleration profile for these on a bicycle.

    If the emissions figures are recalculated using a new method, it would only apply to cars registered after an announced change, although I suspect the VED bands under the current scheme would find the prices in them tweaked upwards even more rapidly than they are now. Cars registered before March 2000 are split into two groups by engine size and those first registered between March 2000 and March 2006 that would be in bands L or M are counted as band K. This saves me £200 a year in VED and means that my 2004 XJ8 is actually worth slightly more than an equivalent car that is 2 years newer!

  59. Anonymous says:

    The suspense is killing me, who won and with how many points.

    I must say, that Q16 had me tunning round in circles, I initially thought it was associated with the Emmett railway, but then got my head turned by the comments on the forum. I ended up spending too much time looking at Princess Coronation Pacifics and trying to find out what birds migrated to Cornwall and if they were associated with the bird names for A4 Gresley Pacifics.

  60. Anonymous says:

    @ ngh, 22 January 2014 at 11:06, PoP, Moosealot et al

    On other problem with the CO2 (sorry, can’t do subscript!) rating is the cold start and idle component of the cycle.

    This distorts the comparison between petrol, diesel and hybrid.
    Petrol is very inefficient when cold.
    Diesel cannot be started until the cylinders are preheated so the engine always operates at normal efficiency.
    Hybrids don’t idle, the engine is off.

  61. Greg Tingey says:

    Many modern diesels can cold-start.
    Even my 1996 Land-Rover, which does have glow-plugs, rarely has them used. I normally switch the “ignition” to on & then immediately turn the key to start – & away she goes.

  62. Moosealot says:

    Running glow plugs for a few seconds has the effect of heating up the glow plugs which help to ignite the fuel; they do not heat up the huge mass of metal (100kg+) that is a diesel engine block. I used to have a 1.3 diesel Panda which on a cold morning would not move the temperature needle until 5 miles into my 5.5 mile commute.

    On a cold day it is a good idea to run the glow plugs for a few seconds as the engine will then burn more cleanly when it starts, reducing soot deposits in the engine and exhaust system.

  63. Formerly of Purley says:

    Q1: Surely Crossrail isn’t what happens next, but rather the closure of this section of line, in December 2006….

  64. timbeau says:

    @ Formerly
    No – the closure is what happened next (past tense).

  65. Elmtree says:

    I assumed that the answer to Q9 was Shoreditch: the old Met/ELL station site buried underneath the new line going north to Dalston, but the station still open (if renamed and resited). Needed to think more clearly about the phrasing, clearly…

  66. timbeau says:

    Not actually buried –,-0.070854&spn=0.000013,0.011319&hnear=Shoreditch,+Greater+London,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.522588,-0.070854&panoid=L1U8lqNLnkXOJuOWHPALGw&cbp=12,24.03,,0,0: the building in the foreground is part of the old station; the bridge behind it is the new line.
    Part of the trackbed that used to approach the old station is buried.

  67. Fandroid says:

    Did I miss the announcement of winners? That reserved space in the trophy cabinet is getting a bit dusty.

  68. John Bull says:

    Nope – just took me much longer than expected to finalise prizes and their delivery arrangements.

    I’ll be emailing winners this weekend, and then assuming they’re happy for their initials to be published will do a post shortly after.

  69. Anonymous says:

    The onset of Easter prompted me to search the archives for John Bull’s post re winners and scores. Did I miss it?

  70. I had recently chased him up on this. He said that he has contacted the winners but they wished to remain anonymous. I still don’t see why he shouldn’t tell us how well they did and how many responses he got.

    I will keep pestering, but not too often.

  71. Walthamstow Writer says:

    @ PoP – well I’d like to know the scores achieved by the winners and runners up and what the prizes eventually were. I can completely understand the desire for anonymity and that’s perfectly fine. However if the winners were all members of the TfL Board (after Sir Peter’s noteworthy post on group) I think we must submit a FOI request to LR Towers demanding the release of the names. 😉

  72. Pedantic of Purley says:

    @Walthamstow Writer,

    I know I am supposed to adhere to collective cabinet responsibility here but I agree.

    Lets face it, if TfL had organised the quiz we would have had a report published of breakdown by question, trends in success in answering questions taking into account previous years data, an audit report on the quality of the prizes, a declaration of interest as to where we got those prizes from and an independant report showing that “due governance” was used in setting the questions (no-one really knows what due governance is but it seems to be important to have it).

    Furthermore Val Shawcross and Caroline Pidgeon would be united in asking questions in assembly meetings as to why there was no “key gate” (or whatever the current jargon is) there was for dates to publish the answers and why it has taken so long.

  73. Steven Taylor says:

    @Walthamstow Writer
    QUOTE I can completely understand the desire for anonymity and that’s perfectly fine UNQUOTE

    At risk of going off topic, I cannot imagine why one would enter a quiz, with a limited circulation and want anonymity. After all, addresses are not published. The names may not be real. The quiz is surely not contentious in any way.

    OK – one must respect peoples` wishes. But I just don`t get it.
    Perhaps I am just a big-headed pensioner, and would love people to know if I had won.

  74. Paying Guest says:

    Perhaps a solution for future quizzes might be for those who wish anonymity to enter under a nom de plume separate from that under which they may or may not post. The winner could then be published as ‘Anonymous 975’ or whatever.

  75. alan blue mountains says:

    Like others I would like to known how well you had to do to be a prize winner, perhaps future quizzes could have as a condition of entry that winners are detailed on the web site, using non de plumes that people entered under. I don’t see why last years winners could not, as a one off, be de identified and broad details provided. Any competition should provide some details about winners to head off any suggestions all is not proper, NOT that I am implying anything here was not above board nor would I want to see the quiz discontinued for any reason.

  76. timbeau says:

    It would be nice at least to know how many people got them all right, or how many the winner(s) got (and which ones they got wrong) , so we can see how close (or not!) I was to winning.

  77. alan blue mountains says:

    with presumeably a new quiz immenent, I refer to the comments above for consideration particularly my implicit suggestion that an entry is only accepted on the understanding that broad detailes of winners and number of questions right would be detailed on the site.

  78. It is my understanding that John Bull has already decided on this as a condition of entry.

    I have already been down to the supermarket taking pictures of produce ready for the quiz (although that doesn’t mean the question will be accepted by the quizmaster).

  79. alan blue mountains says:

    Thanks, wish every one well in the 2014 quiz.

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