The East Croydon Problem – A Look At the Brighton Mainline

Given the impact it has on (and the commuters it carries to) London, it makes sense to take a brief look at some of the issues on the Brighton Main Line. It also makes sense to do so as a follow on from our look at Thameslink and the recent RUS.

The Brighton Main Line is quite simple and a complete contrast to its neighbour in the South-East sector. Effectively it features a single trunk line running from East Croydon to Brighton via Gatwick Airport in an almost perfect north-south alignment, with a series of branches running off from it. In general there are no shuttle services on the branches – just about every train starts from, goes through, or ends up in central London.

Over the years, great efforts have been made to improve capacity. The signalling allows for an intensive service and one would probably have to go for some kind of automatic train operation to improve significantly on what is already there. In terms of improvement possibilities, that really only leaves the other perennial favourite – lengthening the trains. Here too though, options are becoming limited as most of the trains are already 12 carriages long. There has been a long tradition of splitting trains en route to maximise overall throughput even if it is at the expense of journey times. Even Purley, which is still in the London suburbs (even if most of its inhabitants like to pretend it is in Surrey), sees the attachment and splitting of trains because there simply aren’t the paths available in the rush hour to run the Tattenham Corner and Caterham trains as separate services to London.

For years the critical factor preventing more trains from being run has been the lack of terminal capacity in London. The route diverges at East Croydon with some trains going to Victoria and others to London Bridge (and possibly onwards onto the Thameslink route). A few Thameslink trains currently have a tortuous journey to Blackfriars via Herne Hill, but anybody who has experienced this journey will know that it is not ideal. Furthermore, crossing the main South-Eastern route from Victoria to Bromley South on the flat at Herne Hill does nothing for maximising train paths in this area.

It is against this background that the Thameslink programme is seen as a potential saviour, because terminal capacity in London will no longer be the critical constraint providing sufficient Thameslink services make their way onto the Brighton Main Line. However, like a 1960’s road planner, one quickly discovers that when one removes a bottleneck at one location another one has a habit of popping up elsewhere.

In theory then, if Thameslink is up and running could there be more services on the Brighton Main Line?

Yes. A few. But there is a problem – East Croydon.

Be in no doubt, once Thameslink is complete East Croydon is going to be the critical factor on just about everything on the Brighton Main Line. North of East Croydon there is a spaghetti arrangement of tracks as the route diverge to go to Victoria and London Bridge.

There are six platforms at East Croydon, four lines to and from Victoria and four lines to and from London Bridge. Into this feeds two further tracks to and from West Croydon. So basically six lines through East Croydon and two emerging from West Croydon (West Croydon has a bay platform but lets not confuse things) need to be all sorted out into Victoria fast and slow or London Bridge fast and slow. We have the constraint of lack of platforms at East Croydon and a lack of flexibility in the junction north of the station. The situation is made worse by the lack of space. As this author can personally attest, there are times when a traveller can be standing on an unoccupied platform at East Croydon and see one’s train waiting outside the station, because the overlap is fouled by another train’s route having been set over the junction to the north of the platform.

This all begs the question – what is the solution?

Sadly there is no simple on, although two possibilities are covered in the recent RUS in quite some detail.

One idea is the so-called Brighton Main Line 2. Some details for this can be found at www.bml2.co.uk, although many pertinent ones seem to have been removed at some point recently.

BML2 is basically an extension and variation of the campaign to re-open the Uckfield to Lewes line, as proposed by a member of the public. Whereas in the past these ideas were usually just ignored, the campaign has obviously got to the stage where the RUS feels it has to rebut the whole thing. The idea is essentially to build a new tunnel under the South Downs so that trains can get from Brighton to Uckfield, hurry up the Uckfield line to Sanderstead, onto a re-opened line from Sanderstead to Elmers End and from there head onto the Hayes line. Services would thus reach London from Brighton without encountering the bottleneck at East Croydon.

The London and South East RUS, however, gives the scheme short shrift. Once the line gets beyond Ladywell, it returns to the situation where the there is no spare capacity. Crucially, part of the “disused” line is now also part of the Croydon Tramlink, and it is likely not as easy as the scheme’s backers think to displace this and run both tram and train services on adjacent single tracks. However, the other critical factor that the RUS latches onto is that East Croydon, Haywards Heath and Gatwick Airport are major destinations that people want to travel to – so there is not much point in going to a lot of trouble to avoid them.

The other idea that receives a mention in the RUS is to accept the inevitable and build a tunnel from south of Purley to Central London. This probably recognises that just surfacing north of Croydon simply moves the problem along the line. The need to go south of Purley (Stoats Nest Junction in fact) is recognition of the fact that the railway is largely on a high embankment from Purley to South Croydon and in a very steep deep cutting from South Croydon to East Croydon. This make it really difficult to find a suitable place for a tunnel portal north of Purley and in any case it would be better if all conflicts at Purley could be avoided.

The one thing the tunnel has going for it is that tunnels are not that expensive. As Crossrail has shown – it is the underground stations that really gobble up the money. By limiting intermediate stations to East Croydon and possibly Clapham Junction, the tunnels could be built relatively cheaply.

It is clear that this is just an opening shot and one suspects that if a tunnel were to be built, it would not happen in the next fifty years. The RUS offers no other solutions, however, and thus regards the relatively minor overcrowding as something we will just have to live with. As it states:

No appraisal undertaken, however given the relatively small size of the gap in relation to other routes it is likely that this scheme would provide poor value for money.

In a starker statement still it concludes:

Whilst no appraisal has been carried out it is unlikely this option would be affordable or represent good value for money in the time period concerned. However this conclusion should be kept under review, since it might become necessary in a high growth scenario.

So it appears that travellers of the Brighton Main Line should make the most of the Thameslink improvements, because for the foreseeable future there is little good on the horizon after that – just more and more crowded trains.

13 comments

  1. I travelled on all the lines mentioned here when I was a kid in the 1960s and there was no such problem. Trains travelled noticeably faster between, and spent less time at, stations. Steam trains on the Oxted/East Grinstead/Tunbridge Wells West route were allowed 20 second stops to set down and pick up, and still managed, for the most part, to run on time.
    Let’s get to the real source of the issue here – it isn’t infrastructure or capital investment – it’s the systematic and uncontrolled overpopulation of a small island with very limited space. Physically, this clearly cannot go on for ever, so a solution will sooner or later have to be found. It seems it’s going to be later, as it is deemed politically incorrect to even dare to mention the twin causes of the problem – uncontrolled immigration and excessive human breeding.

  2. Peter: whether or not your “twin causes” are “deemed politically incorrect to mention”, proceeding at any length down that line of argument would drag us too far off topic.

    But a passing mention could be made of the main flaw in this argument, which is the omission of “internal migration”. Even if we stopped breeding and stopped allowing anyone else to come to the UK, the trend for people to move from other UK regions to the South-East (*) would still ensure that transport of all kinds will remain under increasing strain and in need of investment in infrastructure.

    (*) because that’s where the jobs are, which in turn is because that’s where the people are.

  3. Peter: “spent less time at, stations” is, I suspect, a factor of the change from multiple pax-operated slam doors to automated one-at-each-end-ness. The difficult answer, of course, is to run fast from Central London and not stop at Croydon (any), serving Gatwick, Brighton, and maybe Redhill only? When you have everything calling at one end you have to consider options which don’t extend the full route (or go under it).

  4. @Peter: It’s not “politically incorrect”, if it’s just plain wrong…. Migration (and breeding) happens, whether or not the migration is internal or external is irrelevant. The problem is if you respond to it or not, if you don’t you’re going to have a problem…

  5. Peter also seems to have overlooked that there were fewer trains in the 1960s. Just as an example, as he mentions the Oxted/East Grinstead line, the usual service on that line was hourly. It’s now half-hourly, at a stroke doubling the number of trains.

  6. Let’s get to the real source of the issue here

    Er, no, not on a transport website. Because, as TfL have stated on a number of occasions, the people will be there and it is not the job of a transport organisation to debate or decide how society should be structured. It is not even the job of a transport organisation to assess the merits of the purpose of the journey. So, for example, they don’t take into account whether your Night Tube journey is to get to work at hospital or get drunk and enjoy yourself.*

    Taking this logically, if we concede that we consider population size, we need also need to look at the issue of enforced euthanasia for old less mobile people. One could do a lot to solve dwell time by eliminating anyone over the age of 60 who is not physically fit. On could also solve peak period dwell time issues by tripling the fares in the peak hours but just because something solves a problem doesn’t necessarily mean it is a desirable thing to do.

    *There does seem to be an exception to this in that particular emphasis is made in catering for journeys to hospital. Technically, this isn’t as special case as they do not take into account the purpose of your journey to hospital.

  7. @PoP well, it’s not quite true to say that we don’t investigate the “merits” of passengers’journeys – we certainly do evaluate journey purpose, if only to adjust fares and target marketing accordingly.

  8. Southern Heights (Light Railway)

    In peacetime it is really hard to establish how “necessary” a journey is. So in times of disruption we do get advised to only travel if “necessary”. But what counts as necessary? A funeral, a medical appointment, a trip to the shops because you have run out of something you consider vital?

    The problem with evaluating journeys can be seen by looking at something like Bingo. This can be regarded as a complete waste of time of no value whatsoever and something we should not waste limited resources on providing transport for. Alternatively it is, or was, a vital community service encouraging those who were largely housebound to adopt a more positive outlook on life, socially interact, stimulate their brain and reaction times (so warding off dementia) and contribute greatly to their mental health – to the benefit of the country.

    The point I am trying to make is that it is not up to transport sector to make these decisions.

  9. No-one has mentioned the putative rebuilding of E Croydon station & approaches, with an extra couple of platforms, to – if not remove at least greatly allievate the problems arising therefrom

  10. @Alison (30/7): My experience with slam door stock is limited, but I always thought they took longer at a station (in particular London Bridge), than the Networkers, simply because people refused to stop getting on them, making it difficult to give clearance to the driver to proceed.

    At least the Networkers with central locking prevented that. I guess this might have been more of a problem at London Bridge than in other places, due to the large numbers of people getting a train to Charing Cross having arrived on a Southern service, but I would expect similar things to have happened at East Croydon.

  11. Southern Heights. My recollection of Victoria in the early 60’s is that the entrance to the platform was shut just before the (slam door) train was due to leave. Led to shouting from barred passengers on occasions.

  12. @Southern Heights/Westville13

    I recall that slam door stock was generally quicker at most stations like East Croydon, where passengers were generally waiting, and at London termini where indeed barriers were closed prior to departure

    But the through platforms at London Bridge were an exception: a constant trickle of passengers coming over the footbridge from the Southern platforms wanting to get onto a Cannon Street or Charing Cross train meant that someone else would always try and scrape onto a departing train, and there were no barriers on platforms 2/3 and 5/6 to stop them

    The Networkers on the inner London routes and what followed really should have had a third set of doors

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